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by Deepfake » Tue Jan 03, 2017 4:38 am
[QUOTE="I REALLY HATE PRESENTS!, post: 1617585, member: 18119"]First I want to address the "forum post" bit. That's basically a "respect thread," something people reference commonly in VS debates, but instead of only picking out prominent feats to show off a character's very best as such topics usually do, the creator seems to have listed most notable things, even the relatively mundane ones like floating and making water. If you find it inaccurate or lacking then feel free to point out why, I find no egregious errors or omissions based on research I did.
Instead of simply saying someone is lacking comprehension you should be able to back yourself up with evidence. Similarly, if you're making a grandiose claim such as near limitlessness then you'll need to sufficiently support it, and you're not.
Dr. Manhattan is impressive within the context of his own original story but not at all compared to Dragon Ball, which isn't surprising given the nature of the stories. The only thing you seem to be able to argue is his supposed nigh limitlessness based off of what I presume to either be broad unsupported statements found within the series which you're taking to an unreasonable extreme ("no limits fallacy") or just you dumping your headcanon, neither of which constitute proper evidence.
Also, Goku drives a tractor in DBS, he clearly has since earned his license. Checkmate.[/QUOTE]
Well if you want me to explain, I'm going to need you to ask why instead of just disagreeing outright. I have general knowledge across multiple fields to which this relates.
First: Manhattan can rearrange matter at will. He does not need direct physical contact with it, and his body is just a representation of his being. He exists beyond matter. With only the intent, he can restructure matter and space to create new matter. There is one known way to eliminate or affect his current manifestation, and that is to remove his intrinsic field, which Goku both knows nothing of and to our knowledge cannot affect. That much is absolutely verifiable, and it is still not a solution. Essentially, he could turn Goku into air if he wanted. To understand how this works, one has to understand that the basic principles of reality and the energies that determine the makeup of all matter are being over-written or controverted.
Manhattan is a quantum mind. The only thing he lacks in terms of ability is omniscience. For instance, he estimates that he could stop at least 60% of all warheads launched, as in nullify them and not simply detonate the entire area occupied by all warheads - and this is limited by his lack of prescient knowledge of the location and launch times and travel velocity and direction of all warheads, it is the specificity of the task. This is only to say that he estimates with absolute certainty that he could disable 60% of all warheads near instantaneously. Your interpretation of the provided data is based on improper assumption. If we see Manhattan directly rearranging gravitational, electromagnetic, and all nuclear forces, (which he does and not by way of instantaneous magic or quirk of writing, but in a context of these forces) we have clearly observed that he is capable of simply erasing Goku. He doesn't need to hit him with a projection, he doesn't need to make contact. He only has to will it to happen.
It is the same as presuming that because you have appendages to maneuver with, and even if you possess no container currently that they exist and you therefore can reasonable obtain one, and therefore despite my never having seen you fill a drinking glass with fluid, I may happily declare that it is within your ability to fill a cup with a fluid given the necessary components. If I were to say that we've never seen you do so and that I must therefore default at presuming you cannot, it would indicate a failure in my process of logic.
I muttered 'light as a board, stiff as a feather' for 2 days straight and now I've ascended, ;aughing at olympus and zeus is crying
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