Sometimes it is the teacher.
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Sometimes it is the teacher.
I hate to be that guy, but if everyone in my class is struggling with anatomy and physiology it says something. If the two previous quarters below us have had the same issues it means there's something wrong. If you look up the teacher that you and your cohorts from the classes above you and find that there are many terrible reviews of her from where she used to teach, it means something. It's not just me. I hate that the school is saying for us to just deal with it basically. Yes people in the classes above us passed but they claim its just like a 65 or 70. I don't consider that to be succeeding. That looks horrible. Something's wrong and I hate that the school refuses to fix it. I don't want to be that person to throw the new teacher under the bus and show them the reviews of where she used to work either.
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You know how you can kind of tell how the teacher does not give a ****? She once said even "I became a teacher because I don't want to work hard." and by the second quiz just said "for those of you who failed the second quiz, you should probably know you are gonna fail but don't worry. You can retake the class." Two girls cried after she said that.Random User wrote:You might have to if you want something to be fixed about it. I feel your pain though, somewhat. Everyone in my Algebra class is either only barely passing or failing, and I know a lot of them are really good students. A lot of people have complained about the teacher, too.
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Sure, it sometimes is the teacher, and that's unpleasant when you're relying on them providing you with the information necessary to obtain your education. On the other hand, welcome to the real world, where sometimes you are required to deal with a person who is inept or careless to complete whatever you're doing. It sucks, but it won't be the last time you encounter a person who makes your job harder by their own sucking.
Who knew you could get genuine life-skills, like dealing with difficult people, from university. ;)
Who knew you could get genuine life-skills, like dealing with difficult people, from university. ;)
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If I'm paying 49,000 per 18 months for classes at an institute, I expect quality. I want to develop the technical skills needed for the REAL world. That means actually being able to learn about anatomy and physiology in an effective way so that I can apply that knowledge to the job field later. Hospitals will definitely look at the low marks on A&P and question it. If I can succeed in all my other classes and I bust my ass trying to learn A&P from a class that doesn't even teach in front of the class while getting belittled, it means something. And I will admit, there was one kid who got kicked out of the program for just playing video games on his laptop during each class (He was only 19 so he was young and immature) but I actually try to learn. I value my education above all else. I guarantee I know any question you can throw at me related to anatomy and get it right without looking it up so far. Why are the tests ineffective? Why should I have to do two midterms next week over everything we've learned in the class so far on the same days we have to do seperate quizzes over three chapters of bones that we've only had a week to study for? It's a conflict. You should be able to have plenty of time for midterm. Not be thrown a quiz before midterm and have only an hour and a half to do both tests (midterm is 80 questions, think about three quizzes over the three chapters we learned this week. It's unfair.) I complained to the higher ups and they don't know anything about whats going on. The only one who listened was my department chair who's trying his hardest to help my team. That's the other thing. I love my team but I hate seeing more and more people quit so early in the program because of this one class. We all stick together. All 17 of us. We all go out to eat together and study together. We know what the hell we are doing. We want to be the best damn respiratory care team that this school has brought up. Not one of us can manage to do well in A&P no matter how hard we try. I don't settle for the 60-75 range. I want to be the best.Saria Dragon of the Rain Wilds wrote:Sure, it sometimes is the teacher, and that's unpleasant when you're relying on them providing you with the information necessary to obtain your education. On the other hand, welcome to the real world, where sometimes you are required to deal with a person who is inept or careless to complete whatever you're doing. It sucks, but it won't be the last time you encounter a person who makes your job harder by their own sucking.
Who knew you could get genuine life-skills, like dealing with difficult people, from university. ;)
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Exactly my point, though. There are a lot of "shoulds" in life. There are a lot of unfair situations. That you are exposed to it now isn't any different than the rest of your life. So how do you learn to deal with the issue now, and how will that translate to other experiences in the future where a "should" hasn't gone your way, or someone has put unfair expectations upon you?
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I mean, really, as an adult, how would you deal with this kind of problem in general? The first thing would be to sit down with the teacher in question and have a discussion about why their class is causing problems to all students. Explain what your concerns are, and look for ways to improve your working relationship with this person. Express in clear and concise terms why you feel this class isn't being taught appropriately or causing undue challenges that cannot be met, show evidence to support whatever point you're trying to make. This is the kind of maturity you have to figure out to succeed in any difficult situation - how to talk it through and try to solve the problem. If nothing good comes from speaking directly to the teacher, then you continue having these discussions with people higher up the chain until the issue is resolved.
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I mean, really, as an adult, how would you deal with this kind of problem in general? The first thing would be to sit down with the teacher in question and have a discussion about why their class is causing problems to all students. Explain what your concerns are, and look for ways to improve your working relationship with this person. Express in clear and concise terms why you feel this class isn't being taught appropriately or causing undue challenges that cannot be met, show evidence to support whatever point you're trying to make. This is the kind of maturity you have to figure out to succeed in any difficult situation - how to talk it through and try to solve the problem. If nothing good comes from speaking directly to the teacher, then you continue having these discussions with people higher up the chain until the issue is resolved.
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I intend to. Also, SD I've tried but the teacher says to not worry about it and still believes in not really giving advice. Telling the class in the second week that "most of you will fail or barely make it" isn't motivation. I wish I knew of a real solution but so far nobody has anything. Its been a known problem in the school that nobody's excelled in her class yet nobody can fix it. I just didn't believe it'd happen to me so I guess I'm just side-swiped. I'm not working, playing video games, or having a social life right now. This's been my focus so far to try and excel.nyankat wrote:I'm assuming you have course evaluations at the end, yes? Leave her a bad review. Give her the lowest ratings possible. And explain all of this in the review. They are generally looked at by the department, but objectivity is key.
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I have never ONCE felt that course evaluations post-class have any net effect on things. I could be completely wrong about matters (because after one class I never did see that bad prof again), but most classes where I repeated professors (especially in the math department), if I had a bad teacher once, I usually saw the same sort of teaching style quarter after quarter.nyankat wrote:I'm assuming you have course evaluations at the end, yes? Leave her a bad review. Give her the lowest ratings possible. And explain all of this in the review. They are generally looked at by the department, but objectivity is key.
Of course, my worst-ever professor was first quarter of sophomore year (when over half of the class, grad students included, failed a midterm... and no one got an A... that is until I argued a point back on my midterm). And even then, I was naïve enough to believe that the system eventually worked. :p
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Shame to hear your learning experience isn't going smoothly. Obviously when you bring up the money situation, most schools really aren't providing any learning experience that justifies the absurd costs. They just expect you to write it off to the future and then owe, and the banks will give them all of your hypothetical money. That system is well-rigged.
Of course, people ask me occasionally if I have gone to school and why I haven't, out of curiosity (I come in contact with a lot of teachers) but my interests aren't absolutely compatible with money or a diploma won't get me a job in my field(s). Aside from freelance stuff I do cleaning work for a private school on behalf of a contract business. The teaching staff are salaried, but on a per-hours-worked comparison, I tend to make more than them for maintenance and I get paid the same amount if I finish early. Many of the teachers or prospective teachers I know (some of whom post here) are very good people, and their time and intellect is invaluable - mortality affects us all. It's a shame that so many major organizations have worked long and hard to turn the education industry into as much of a scam as it tends to be. Even the honest organisations are pressed to compete, after all.
Medical's a well-paid industry, though, there will always be demand for healthcare, similar to the maintenance work I do.
Of course, people ask me occasionally if I have gone to school and why I haven't, out of curiosity (I come in contact with a lot of teachers) but my interests aren't absolutely compatible with money or a diploma won't get me a job in my field(s). Aside from freelance stuff I do cleaning work for a private school on behalf of a contract business. The teaching staff are salaried, but on a per-hours-worked comparison, I tend to make more than them for maintenance and I get paid the same amount if I finish early. Many of the teachers or prospective teachers I know (some of whom post here) are very good people, and their time and intellect is invaluable - mortality affects us all. It's a shame that so many major organizations have worked long and hard to turn the education industry into as much of a scam as it tends to be. Even the honest organisations are pressed to compete, after all.
Medical's a well-paid industry, though, there will always be demand for healthcare, similar to the maintenance work I do.
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