Organ transplants

#21

Saria Dragon of the Rain Wilds wrote:You can't tell me I'd change my mind later, just like you can't tell me that my aunt will change her mind about her Do Not Resuscitate order.

You can't really compare organ donations to DNR orders. DNR is the person's choice to not be revived. Organ donation is consent to allow your organs to be removed in the case of death.

IDK. I always mark my license to be a donor. And then cremate my body. And then use my ashes to pollute a lake and torment vegans.

#22

^ The comparison was made because Dylan, and innumerable others, insist that someone like myself will change our minds if actually faced with a situation where our lives would be prolonged by having a transplant. There's no reason that should be especially legitimate; just like my aunt doesn't want to be revived, I don't want transplants just to give me more time (and it's just as a continuation of my personal disapproval that I'm not donating mine, either).

Deepfake · #23

Personally, I just think this all has to do with that whole selfish "nobody allowed to leave me" mentality that everyone gets when they experience loss. Frankly, it all comes out in the wash.

I'm cool with doing donations, but only to people whom I know and like. My organs are for me, and so are your organs. Ahahaha I am a self-centered hypocrite boo hoo.

#24

^^ However, the main difference being when you're in need of an organ, you'll have a lot going through your head, albeit not necessarily "Maybe I was wrong, I could use some creepy stranger's organ". People tend to think a lot differently when faced with death. DNR, on the other hand, is pretty much saying "Nope, not coming back, kthxbye". You can't just sit up from a heart attack and say "Actually, I could be brought back", it's a decision that says "I'm done, next time I'm down it's TKO".

You know, unless some dumbass doesn't bother to see the huge "DNR" sticker on whatever med record (Mental hospital had them on the side cover of the charts). Or someone just didn't know, so Good Samaritan law kicks in.

Apollo the Just · #25

I can understand your stance on this, I just disagree. It's totally cool that you don't want to participate, but I think that life is something pretty special and awesome, so I'd fight for some extended time to experience the things and people I love for a little longer. :{)

I mean, I think that people are getting more and more life-obsessed and will strive for immortality eventually, and I'm not so sure if I'd advocate that... but, as hypocritical as it may sound, I'm definitely not against a few extra years of life.

Gumchum · #26

I wouldn't say I "insisted" that so much as I speculated it.

Rainbow Dash · #27

CuccoLady wrote:I mean, I think that people are getting more and more life-obsessed and will strive for immortality eventually, and I'm not so sure if I'd advocate that... but, as hypocritical as it may sound, I'm definitely not against a few extra years of life.

I'd love immortality.

Apollo the Just · #28

I dunno, I kind of see death as something we all must and should experience. I just also have nothing against putting it off as long as possible. I think it's ok for life to be prolonged, as long as it remains finite.

Deepfake · #29

Dylan wrote:I wouldn't say I "insisted" that so much as I speculated it.

That's the problem with opinions: people think they're allowed to have them, but no such thing as an opinion exists. The option to have relevant words is either present, or not. The words are just an extension of your ideas formed mostly by your nature and experience. You're essentially reciting the fact of your preference for thought.

^I don't see any particular value in life over death beside the merit of being comfortable in familiarity. Maybe death is a limited experience, and it's awesome, and the more you're alive the less you get to experience the awesomeness of death because you'll have to be alive again. Psh.

Gumchum · #30

Yeah, but I'm not even sure I was throwing out my own opinion in doing so -- it was more like thinking someone else's opinion would change given some terrible scenario.

Anyway, it's not like I fear death. I just have a lot of stuff to do. I dropped some big bucks on that ring, and god dammit, I'd better have a family before I die.

Valigarmander · #31

I registered to be an organ donor earlier this year. When I'm dead I'm not going to need my guts, and when they've taken whatever they need they can just cremate me and dump me in an ocean.

Life is cool, and death is fine, and I don't care if someone wants to live a little longer than nature originally intended. I wouldn't be against receiving someone else's organs in certain circumstances if it meant I could live a while longer, though there are certain scenarios where I'd rather just have the plug pulled.

YouTube · #32

^Well, some buttwipe shooting me doesn't sound like it's what "nature originally intended", so if an organ transplant can save me from that death, heck, I'll take it just to spite the jackhole who shot me!

And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

Valigarmander · #33

What if you got shot by a bear?

Bomby · #34

Are you guys seriously making the claim that "nature" is "intending" things?

:facepalm:

Rainbow Dash · #35

what's that nature?

you want me to...kill?

Deepfake · #36

Oh yay the nature thing again. People have consciousness by natural means = conscious decision is a long-armed representation of natural occurrences. Nature doesn't really factor into SD's preference on the matter, but hey.

Dylan wrote:Yeah, but I'm not even sure I was throwing out my own opinion in doing so -- it was more like thinking someone else's opinion would change given some terrible scenario.

Anyway, it's not like I fear death. I just have a lot of stuff to do. I dropped some big bucks on that ring, and god dammit, I'd better have a family before I die.

No big deal here, IMO, you're not offending someone like SD. She just throws her fists up when faced with conflict of interest with the public at large. She's actually got more of a "and why the hell do I have to care about this" standpoint than a "you people shouldn't think what you want" kind of thing. The idea that you actually have to give a **** about things that other folks suppose we all OUGHT to give a **** about is where her or I trip up on this stuff.

Frankly, people die. It sucks when it's someone you care about. Throwing pieces of someone else at them to keep them running ala Frankenstein's creature isn't necessarily something the public at large is entitled to. The least they could do IMO is not make it necessary for us who aren't interested to have to actually opt-out of becoming kidney bins.

Valigarmander · #37

derp

When I said "what nature intended" I was being figurative.

Deepfake · #38

Yeah, that's what I figured.

Valigarmander · #39

Figures.

Bad Dragonite · #40

inVALIdGARMANDER IS IMPPLYING THAT IF A BEAR SHOT YOU NATURE WOULD BE MADE UP OF NUMBERS AND WE ALL LIV IN THE MATRIX SO THEREFORE OUR ORGANS HERE AREN'T REAL SO WE DONT ACTUALLY NEED THEM

HOWEVEER HIS ARGUMENT DOESNT AGREE WITH ME SO IT IS WRONG AND VAL TOUCHES PEOPLE IN BAD PLACES WITHOUT THEIR PERMISSION BECUZ AND HE MAKES UNICORNS CRY

VAL DOESNT WANT TO TEACH THE WORLD TO SING

VAL HATES RAINBOWS

THIS IS ALL VALID POITNS TOO MY ARGUMENTSA YES

I HAVE PICS AND A LINK OF TOO PICS TO FOR SHOWING HIM HOW BAD HE IS AND STUFF