Why it's important to use a person's preferred pronouns

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Why it's important to use a person's preferred pronouns

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Post by LOOT » Fri Aug 14, 2015 2:03 am

http://everydayfeminism.com/2014/10/ign ... -pronouns/
Originally published on Let’s Queer Things Up! and cross-posted here with their permission.

It can’t be emphasized enough: Coming out as transgender or any variation thereof is downright terrifying.

It is often met with criticism, resistance, and invalidation. When I came out to friends, it felt like the world was crashing down all around me.

And by far the worst part was the resistance I faced when asking others to stop saying “she.”

Beyond coming out, we also ask others to change a very ingrained habit — to use different pronouns when speaking about us. This is where I encountered the most turmoil.

Some folks simply don’t understand what they are saying when they refuse to use someone’s gender pronouns.

When someone states their pronouns (he, she, ze, they, etc.), they are asking for your respect. And when you choose not to use these pronouns, and instead opt for your own, you are not only invalidating someone’s identity, but you are also saying a plethora of harmful things that you likely never intended.

So what are you really saying when you’ve decided to continue using a pronoun that someone doesn’t identify with? Here are just a few things you could be suggesting when you use the incorrect pronouns:

1. I know you better than you know yourself.
When you make the decision to not respect someone’s pronouns, what you are ultimately saying is that their personal truth is something you are more knowledgeable about than them.

You’re saying, “How could you possibly know your gender? Only I could know that, and you’re wrong.”

The reality is, someone’s gender identity — how they relate to their bodies and to the notions of femininity and masculinity — is only for that person to discover and declare.

You are not living their life, and therefore, could not possibly know their gender better than they could. When you use the incorrect pronouns, though, you are saying that you are intimately more familiar with who they are than they are. And logically speaking, that doesn’t make a whole lot of sense.

Since when are you the expert on other peoples’ lives?

If she says she’s a woman, I would think she would know better than you do, just like she knows her favorite food is spaghetti, she’s a Buddhist, and her favorite color is teal.

2. I would rather hurt you repeatedly than change the way I speak about you.
Each time we misgender someone, we are inflicting harm.

Would you rather hurt someone or simply change the way you are speaking?

3. Your sense of safety is not important to me.
When we misgender someone, we run the risk of threatening their personal sense of safety, as well as their physical safety. When someone feels invalidated or disrespected, they may not feel safe or comfortable in the space.

We might also risk outing them as transgender to other people around us — folks who may not know they are trans, who may become aggressive or even violent if they realize this person is transgender. This could cause harm that we did not intend.

A transgender person could lose their housing, their job, or even their friends if their status as transgender is revealed.

If someone has asked you to use specific pronouns, it could be a matter of safety — whether it’s their sense of safety or their physical autonomy and security.

The bottom-line: If they ask you to use specific pronouns, use them unless they ask otherwise. Their safety could and often does depend on it.

4. Your identity isn’t real and shouldn’t be acknowledged.
When you ignore someone’s pronouns and opt for your own, what you are saying is that you do not recognize their identity as authentic, and you are refusing to acknowledge it as such.

In other words, you heard their truth, but you are not accepting it. Instead, you are ignoring it. You are saying, “You said this is so, but I don’t believe you, so I will reject your truth and replace it with my assumptions.”

“You said you have a dog, but I like cats, so I’m going to pretend you have a cat. Here, have a bag of cat food.”

“You said you have cancer, but that’s too much for me to deal with, so I’m going to pretend you’re healthy. Let’s flush your medications down the toilet in celebration!”

“You said you are filing for divorce, but that makes me sad, so I’m going to keep pretending we’re married. Where do you want to get dinner tonight, honey?”

“You said you live on the third floor, but I hate climbing stairs, so I’m going to throw your housewarming party in the apartment downstairs, which I’ll pretend is yours.”

“You said you’re a man, but that would force me to use different pronouns, so I’m going to pretend you’re a woman.”

What you’re ultimately doing is living in a make-believe land.

Someone has told you the truth, their lived experience and their reality, but you have replaced what you heard with your version of what you wish were true.

We should treat each other as the experts on our own experience, and respect the identities we claim. To do otherwise is to live in denial. The truth will not change no matter how adamant your refusal to see it may be.

5. I want to teach everyone around me to disrespect you.
When you continue to use the incorrect pronouns, you are teaching everyone around you to use those same (incorrect) pronouns. Your transgender friend now has to correct not only you, but all of the people you’ve taught to use those same pronouns.

You are working against them and forcing them to come out as transgender over and over again. You are making their already very difficult job much, much harder.

6. Offending you is fine if it makes me feel more comfortable.
What you are really saying is that your sense of comfort is more important than offending someone else.

You are saying that you are okay with hurting someone repeatedly, as long as you get to remain comfortable and unchallenged. That it’s okay to be disrespectful, as long as it keeps things easy for you.

7. I can hear you talking, but I’m not really listening.
Yes, I heard you speak your truth, your lived experience, your journey — but I wasn’t really listening. I’m going to ignore what you’ve said and continue misgendering you.

I will hear what you’re saying, but I won’t truly listen to you because your experience isn’t important to me.

8. Being who you truly are is an inconvenience to me.
Rather than being proud of you for living your truth, or commending your courage for revealing that truth to me, I’m going to ignore what you’ve said because your identity is an inconvenience.

I should never have to change how I refer to you. I shouldn’t have to change anything. I should be able to be comfortable at all times. Valuing your identity is a burden on me.

Even though transgender people face disproportionate rates of violence, suicide, homelessness, and discrimination, the real inconvenience here is me having to change which pronouns I use to refer to you.

Because your struggle isn’t difficult enough as it is. It’s my struggle, the struggle to switch pronouns, that is the real tragedy here.

9. I would prefer it if you stopped being honest with me.
When someone reveals their truth and you ignore and invalidate it, what you’re really saying is that you’d prefer that they weren’t honest with you. You’d prefer that they lied to you, so that you would never be burdened or inconvenienced by their identity or their struggles.

What you’re saying is that you’d prefer if they were always dishonest, just to make your life easier.

You would rather them live a lie and make things easier for you, instead of embracing their truth and happiness, and moving forward as their authentic, best self.

You like dishonesty, it seems, because dishonesty allows you to maintain the illusion of what you would rather this person be.

10. I am not an ally, a friend, or someone you can trust.
Because I have criticized, rejected, and invalidated your identity, and refuse to acknowledge it as real, I’ve proven I am not someone you can talk to, not someone you can feel comfortable around, not someone who will listen and advocate for you.

When I choose to misgender you, I have decided my own interests are far more important than your safety, validation, and dignity. And when I made that decision, I probably gave you the impression that I am not someone you can trust.
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Yikes. That’s a lot of nastiness, isn’t it?

No, I imagine that this isn’t really what you are trying to say. But the intent is different from the impact.

While you may not intend to say any of these things, that doesn’t change how it impacts the person on the receiving end. When you misgender someone, these are some of the take-away messages that are received when you invalidate them.

When someone takes the brave step to come out to you, it is absolutely essential that you respect their journey, trust their lived experience, listen intently, and celebrate their identity. Rather than replace their reality with your own assumptions, celebrate their choice to move forward and live as their most authentic self.

Someone’s gender identity is never for you to arbitrarily decide — nor a doctor or parent’s decision either. Only you can know, and consequently name your gender identity.

You may not understand their identity — gender is complicated, and the transgender spectrum might be a whole new concept for you. It’s not important that you understand everything perfectly. They’ve had years to arrive at this conclusion, and you’ve likely only had a few minutes, if that.

It’s important that you listen, and trust that, with time, you will begin to understand how they came to know themselves.

Transition can be an exciting time. For me, I finally felt free to live as I was destined to be living, in the body I was intended to have. A supportive, caring friend can make all the difference in the world.

It’s as simple as using “he” when he asks you to, “she” when she asks you to, “they” when they ask you to, or even “ze” if ze asks you to. Using someone’s pronouns is just another way of saying “I trust and respect you.”

Using the correct pronouns is a way of validating that we all have the right to live our truth, however that truth looks or however that path twists or turns. And that, my friends, is a beautiful thing.

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Post by I REALLY HATE POKEMON! » Fri Aug 14, 2015 3:04 am

When we misgender someone, we run the risk of threatening their personal sense of safety, as well as their physical safety.
...What?
We might also risk outing them as transgender to other people around us — folks who may not know they are trans, who may become aggressive or even violent if they realize this person is transgender.
I doubt people become violent at the mere mention of another person being trans in a civilized country.
When you continue to use the incorrect pronouns, you are teaching everyone around you to use those same (incorrect) pronouns.
Everyone is responsible for their own decisions. If others pick it up it isn't because you taught them, it's what they chose to do.
I am not an ally, a friend, or someone you can trust.
If someone doesn't think that you can be trusted because you won't play pronoun games then their trust is too fragile to worry about, in my opinion. Trust is earned through actions, not words.

Anyway, I have never known someone in real life who demands to be referred to in certain ways and doubt I'd want to. It's like an old person not wanting to be referred to as pops, or an obese person as big guy. Some people get butthurt over things like that and I just don't get it. It's not important in the long run.
When someone takes the brave step to come out to you, it is absolutely essential that you respect their journey, trust their lived experience, listen intently, and celebrate their identity.
I don't celebrate my own identity, why would I ever celebrate anyone else's? Narcissism.
It’s as simple as using “he” when he asks you to, “she” when she asks you to, “they” when they ask you to, or even “ze” if ze asks you to.
Even the article knows how ridiculous "ze" is. I may submit to the others but never "ze."

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Post by Daos » Fri Aug 14, 2015 10:29 am

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Anyway, I have never known someone in real life who demands to be referred to in certain ways and doubt I'd want to. It's like an old person not wanting to be referred to as pops, or an obese person as big guy. Some people get butthurt over things like that and I just don't get it. It's not important in the long run.[/QUOTE]

Oh, so does that mean I can start calling you a woman from here out? Good to know, mam!

Let me tell you something. This is actually a topic I am familiar with, as about a year ago one of my siblings came out as transgender and decided that even though they were born male that they identify being female. Telling our family this was probably one of the hardest things to do as some of my family can only be described as hard core, conservative, extreme Christian. Particularly our grandparents. Even now they still refuse to use the name that she chose for herself and call her by her old name on purpose as well as use male pronouns. It's very easy to see how much this actually hurts each time. But, well, I guess you are the expert here.

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Post by Deepfake » Fri Aug 14, 2015 11:35 am

What interests me about the reticence to using someone's desired pronouns is the implicit sexism which drives those beliefs. Obviously gender and sex drive a lot of how our society functions, but some people get very unreasonably angry at the mere suggestion that boys can do as much as girls or vice versa.

I think the first time I really got how hurtful sexism can be was when, as a kid, I saw a gag t-shirt that said 'boys suck, throw rocks at them' which I didn't think was cute, it just sounded hateful.

Anyway, not to get off subject but I don't even really like hearing pronouns too much when I'm talking to someone in person. People always seem to avoid calling me by name, I don't always like being 'you' or 'him' - I don't know why that is but as a quirk of English it bothers me. I think gender is a personal matter and shouldn't necessarily be open to the scrutiny of public at large. Celebrity and publicly saturated sexualisation are kind of messed up in modern society.

That said, I don't mind anyone using any pronoun to name me as long as they use it with some amount of respect. Calling someone one thing or another always comes down to the intent, whether or not it's to do with gender. You can see gender pronouns loaded with hate pretty easily.[DOUBLEPOST=1439566516,1439566261][/DOUBLEPOST][QUOTE="I REALLY HATE POKEMON!, post: 1555452, member: 18119"]I don't celebrate my own identity, why would I ever celebrate anyone else's? Narcissism.[/QUOTE]
Eh, most people are fixated on the cult of personality more than anything. I think culture overall is the same, however. I've met a few people whose personalities I definitely love but then that's love. I don't know if I'd say it's a celebration of any kind, but I guess that's just being pedantic about the language.

People should be okay to forgive themselves and be happy in their own skin, is the concept I'd expect the writer to be attempting to express.
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Post by CaptHayfever » Fri Aug 14, 2015 1:18 pm

Wait, there are individuals demanding to be called "they" now? I genuinely hadn't heard that one yet. And by "one", I mean singular. By which I mean "do we have to invent a new freaking plural third-person pronoun now so that we actually have one?"

And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

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Post by I REALLY HATE POKEMON! » Fri Aug 14, 2015 7:52 pm

Daos, post: 1555579, member: 24674 wrote:Oh, so does that mean I can start calling you a woman from here out? Good to know, mam!
Careful, you're "threatening [my] personal sense of safety, as well as [my] physical safety."

Honestly, you could if you wanted to, but people would just look at you as the strange one, and I wouldn't care a wee bit. In fact, from now on you should refer to me as ma'am, just to drive the point home that it isn't a big deal and my safety is at no risk; you're all free to as well. If you think I'm just being contrary, I assure you that is not the case, really, go for it.
Daos]Let me tell you something. This is actually a topic I am familiar with wrote:
Do you blame your grandparents? They come from a time when this type of thing was uncommon, and they have the proper view of the situation, IMO. I certainly wouldn't play pronoun games with my offspring either.[DOUBLEPOST=1439596350,1439595505][/DOUBLEPOST]
Hell Orb, post: 1555605, member: 25415 wrote:What interests me about the reticence to using someone's desired pronouns is the implicit sexism which drives those beliefs. Obviously gender and sex drive a lot of how our society functions, but some people get very unreasonably angry at the mere suggestion that boys can do as much as girls or vice versa.
How is it sexist not to use "ze"?

As for people getting "very unreasonably angry at the mere suggestion that boys can do as much as girls or vice versa," I don't know who would. The majority of things can be done by either sex sufficiently, and I think that's generally agreed upon.
Hell Orb]I think the first time I really got how hurtful sexism can be was when wrote:
Sexism can definitely be hurtful, but a dumb shirt doesn't seems like it could be at all hurtful to a normal person. I think sexism is only hurtful when applied toward people specifically.
Hell Orb]Eh wrote:
Yeah, I think I agree. Also, if that's what the writer is trying to express then it's a more positive message than I got from it.

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Post by Random User » Fri Aug 14, 2015 8:04 pm

It's also nice to not be a dick to people, so that's a pretty decent reason all in itself to use preferred pronouns. If that's what a person wants it shouldn't be a big deal.

Things like "ze" just start to overcomplicate things and then you get people that want you to use a whole slew of made-up pronouns that make the whole transgender thing look like a big joke. If someone wants to go by some nonexistent pronoun they can probably expect "they" pronouns from me.

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Post by I REALLY HATE POKEMON! » Fri Aug 14, 2015 8:05 pm

^ Seems reasonable to me.

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Post by Softguitar » Sat Aug 15, 2015 12:19 pm

"She" in dutch is "ze". But y'all don't speak Dutch, so it shouldn't matter.
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Post by LOOT » Sat Aug 15, 2015 10:32 pm

RU: You're only arguing about a slippery slope if it even exists. For starters, only up to 5% of the population is estimated to be transgender in any way. A great majority of them are binary in some form, and outside the two usual genders it's more likely genderfluid, genderqueer, etc. And even after all that, why would such a thing be bothersome?

[QUOTE="CaptHayfever, post: 1555622, member: 25169"]Wait, there are individuals demanding to be called "they" now? I genuinely hadn't heard that one yet. And by "one", I mean singular. By which I mean "do we have to invent a new freaking plural third-person pronoun now so that we actually have one?"

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Singular they has been around for hundreds of years as a gender-neutral term, not sure what the problem is.

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Post by Random User » Sat Aug 15, 2015 10:48 pm

[QUOTE="Loot, post: 1555924, member: 21459"]RU: You're only arguing about a slippery slope if it even exists. For starters, only up to 5% of the population is estimated to be transgender in any way. A great majority of them are binary in some form, and outside the two usual genders it's more likely genderfluid, genderqueer, etc. And even after all that, why would such a thing be bothersome?[/QUOTE]
It's not so much bothersome as it is silly. I didn't mean to seem like I was arguing about a slippery slope - tons of people already want to go by faerie pronouns and other such things. That's where it gets ridiculous.

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Post by Kil'jaeden » Sat Aug 15, 2015 11:29 pm

We don't need to use "they" for one person when we have a perfectly good third person singular neuter pronoun in "it". And for direct address, thou and you get around gender entirely. Just avoid those third person gendered pronouns.
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Post by Deepfake » Sat Aug 15, 2015 11:39 pm

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As for people getting "very unreasonably angry at the mere suggestion that boys can do as much as girls or vice versa," I don't know who would. The majority of things can be done by either sex sufficiently, and I think that's generally agreed upon.[/QUOTE]
I get the feeling you didn't grow up in the same world as me[DOUBLEPOST=1439696039,1439695910][/DOUBLEPOST][QUOTE="Kil'jaeden, post: 1555935, member: 26719"]We don't need to use "they" for one person when we have a perfectly good third person singular neuter pronoun in "it". And for direct address, thou and you get around gender entirely. Just avoid those third person gendered pronouns entirely.[/QUOTE]
'It' implies lack of self-awareness and is intended largely for inanimate objects. If that was ever appropriate to apply to a human, that use has been made archaic. Nice pot-stirring, by the way.[DOUBLEPOST=1439696374][/DOUBLEPOST][QUOTE="I REALLY HATE POKEMON!, post: 1555706, member: 18119"]Sexism can definitely be hurtful, but a dumb shirt doesn't seems like it could be at all hurtful to a normal person. I think sexism is only hurtful when applied toward people specifically.[/QUOTE]
Mate, while I agree with you that I am not a 'normal' person because I couldn't imagine a more abyssmal lifestyle as the default, the implication is certainly not appreciated. I do agree that the average person is probably not socially aware enough to connect the dots: Society tells me I am male, and then society shames me for it. Sound familiar? While the shirt itself doesn't matter to me, it did inspire awareness that the world at large is too willing to tell you what you are without asking, and then telling you that you're **** because of it. It's not like you haven't heard of stereotypes.

If you have a facebook account with any women over the age of 40 on it, you're bound to actually see all the 'guys are dumb and useless' messages slathered over jpeg-artifacted pictures of tweety bird or despicable me minion, they're like the hemorrhoids of the internet.
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Post by Kil'jaeden » Sat Aug 15, 2015 11:40 pm

It is perfectly legitmate. The only reason it is considered "for objects" is because we have abandoned "gendering" inanimate obects and animal species in modern English. In earlier forms of English, and in other Germanic and Latin based languages that are extant, objects have genders. We tend to only use "it" for objects now because all of them became neuter by default when English dropped this. We don't use it for people because people are automatically gendered, but it is still applicable. "They" and "those" are freely used for people and objects, and correctly. "It" is no different, except for being singular.
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Post by Deepfake » Sat Aug 15, 2015 11:46 pm

Kil'jaeden, post: 1555937, member: 26719 wrote:It is perfectly legitmate. The only reason it is considered "for objects" is because we have abandoned "gendering" inanimate obects and animal species in modern English. In earlier forms of English, and in other Germanic and Latin based languages that are extant, objects have genders. We tend to only use "it" for objects now because all of them became neuter by default when English dropped this. We don't use it for people because people are automatically gendered, but it is still applicable. "They" and "those" are freely used for people and objects, and correctly. "It" is no different, except for being singular.
I already told you why you're wrong, there's no point in arguing the matter semantically because what I stated is correct. However you feel about the origin of the word is irrelevant to the fact that you would be directly suggesting in mutually shared terms that you believe a person is not a person. If you're uncomfortable with using this aspect of the English language, how could you possibly explain your reticence against using someone else's preferred pronoun? You're staking the heart of your argument.
Loot wrote:Singular they has been around for hundreds of years as a gender-neutral term, not sure what the problem is.
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Post by I REALLY HATE POKEMON! » Sat Aug 15, 2015 11:52 pm

[QUOTE="Hell Orb, post: 1555936, member: 25415"]Mate, while I agree with you that I am not a 'normal' person because I couldn't imagine a more abyssmal lifestyle as the default, the implication is certainly not appreciated. I do agree that the average person is probably not socially aware enough to connect the dots: Society tells me I am male, and then society shames me for it. Sound familiar? While the shirt itself doesn't matter to me, it did inspire awareness that the world at large is too willing to tell you what you are without asking, and then telling you that you're **** because of it. It's not like you haven't heard of stereotypes.[/quote]

People sure are touchy, but I guess how you could take it that way. I wasn't even indirectly implying anything toward you, though, as I knew the shirt didn't matter to you. Anyone it does matter to is not normal. The average person is not offended by shirts, and I suggest they stay away from tshirt hell's cool site.

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Exactly, though I can see how some could misunderstand and take offense, there's no reason to legitimately take offense.

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Post by Deepfake » Sat Aug 15, 2015 11:52 pm

[QUOTE="I REALLY HATE POKEMON!, post: 1555939, member: 18119"]People sure are touchy, but I guess how you could take it that way. I wasn't even indirectly implying anything toward you, though, as I knew the shirt didn't matter to you. Anyone it does matter to is not normal. The average person is not offended by shirts, and I suggest they stay away from tshirt hell's cool site.[/QUOTE]
It's never just something like a shirt, though. Anyone rational could walk past a dumb message on a t-shirt for the first time and not do anything about it aside from think it's a shirt for *******. It's the matter of repetition - the same message from the same people is like being poked in the same place for years on end. For the first while it's annoying but not really painful. After a day it really hurts. After years you have dead nerves and a callus and you don't even notice it anymore, and this is the part of the metaphor where all the old people complain that they put up with everyone being pricks so why can't we, and the youth are just too sensitive in this day and age.
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Post by I REALLY HATE POKEMON! » Sat Aug 15, 2015 11:56 pm

^ Okay, I understand, but what's the desired solution?

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Post by Deepfake » Sun Aug 16, 2015 12:10 am

[QUOTE="I REALLY HATE POKEMON!, post: 1555941, member: 18119"]^ Okay, I understand, but what's the desired solution?[/QUOTE]
Overall, I'm not a person with a campaign here. I don't think society is good for people but I don't think it's inherently evil, I was just trying to explain the perspective of people who feel as though this is a matter of sexism. Telling a kid he is going to be 'gay' because he picked up a barbie one time is really **** up overall, to the adult they're just making a wisecrack and not thinking about it but really we can do without being rude to eachother a bit more - especially in the US which I've found is where people tend to open their mouths when they don't need. Man, I grew up in Ohio which is statistically the 'most rude' state.

But you know, there are always going to be more problems if we keep changing the terms for what's 'okay' but I think overall we'll be better off if we remember to pick fights over bigger issues like types of attacks, etc. I know there's concern over cultural chilling effects, but sometimes I ask myself if it's not just better off let go? Change happens, and we have the option to be pissed at it and fight it and lose or just relax and adapt. People can be kinder, I don't mind that.

Mind you, there's probably no better insult in the world than telling someone who's started out being a **** to you that you really feel sorry for their pitiable state of bother, and you wish they could be whole but obviously something's gotten to them.
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Post by Kil'jaeden » Sun Aug 16, 2015 12:17 am

[QUOTE="Hell Orb, post: 1555938, member: 25415"]I already told you why you're wrong, there's no point in arguing the matter semantically because what I stated is correct. However you feel about the origin of the word is irrelevant to the fact that you would be directly suggesting in mutually shared terms that you believe a person is not a person. If you're uncomfortable with using this aspect of the English language, how could you possibly explain your reticence against using someone else's preferred pronoun? You're staking the heart of your argument.[/QUOTE]

If people can make up new pronouns I don't see the problem with using what we already have. It makes as much sense. I really don't care unless someone insists on using pronouns outside of what we already have.
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