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I wouldn't care that you're stealing something if you would just admit that you are, in fact, stealing something.

Pirates were among the world's first European-based societies to allow full rights to non-whites & were unique in being democratic seafarers.
...Or were you talking about internet people?

And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

Internet piracy is copyright infringement, not theft.

I'M NOT STEALING.

I'M ONLY BORROWING (without giving it back, like a neighbor)

Actually, you're only making a lossy copy of the original media at no cost to the original publisher.

I don't see too much wrong with burning a copy of a film you bought, just so long as you don't sell them. Otherwise, yeah, I'd agree with you, it's stealing.
My uncle (I'm still not incredibly comfortable calling him this even tho he's been married to my aunt for almost 10 years..) Has burned hundreds of films while renting them. Every time I look at their collection, I can't help but feel dirty.

He's also a wife beater, and gets too drunk alot, so MOVIE PIRATEZ IZ WIFE BEATARZ AND DRUNKZ.

Actually though, I've downloaded an anime series before, and considered burning it, but only because I plan on purchasing it. And I would NEVER make copies to sell online or off.


But yes, I might consider it equal to stealing. It depends though, I'm not entirely sure what you mean. Do you mean just downloading the film/whatever, or downloading it, making copies, and selling them? (From what I know the latter is usually considered actual pirating, but their are probably mixed opinions on that.)

Well, the problem is the paid distribution of copies of an article you do not own the rights to sell as a reproduction. Making a copy of a file isn't a crime, and this is only an issue of Capitalism protecting Capitalism. Because many of us are skilled, it is easy for us to reproduce a copy of an original product. If I see a pattern carved into a door, I could just as easily create my own version of that pattern on my door. The copyrights owner does not own the right to carving patterns, even that pattern, in a door. The copyrights owner instead owns the right to reproduce that pattern for resale.

Despite what courts may say, there is no way to prove that allowing consumers their own private recreations of audio patterns causes loss to rights holders as it instead is a reasonable competition to their monetary gain. If they're suffering just because audio is too easy to reproduce, it is counter-competitive to attempt to suppress a fringe industry and flourishing privatization, IMO.

YOU'RE PISSING US OFF AI

I'm the kind of guy who's really open-handed with his swag. I don't draw a moral distinction between letting a friend borrow a book or movie and cutting someone a copy of a CD. Especially if the CD is really hard to find---I'm not going to keep the awesomeness of Calypso Christmas to myself, and if the copyright holders can't cope with that, well, maybe they should make the CD more readily available to the public.

Oh, and 'yarrrrr'.

(EDIT---I just realised, the CDs I seem to copy most for people are by Capn Dan and the Scuvy Crew (pirate hip-hop) and Alestorm (pirate metal). That's kind of funny if you think about it.)

yar har deedly dee
being a pirate is alright with me
do what you want cuz a pirate is free
YOU ARE A PIRATE

Yarrrr.

I don't care for pirating anything, but when the copyright holders be makin' it too hard to get things, well, whataya gonna do? Live your entire life without seein' something because the people who made it went out of business?

Company's PR firms call copyright infringement "stealing"; you can make the argument that infringement is dampening creativity, etc., but you don't need to conflate the two things. It's not stealing if the original guy still owns the thing you "stole". I believe we agree that stealing is wrong (taking other people's physical property without their permission), but I think that the discussion on copyright infringement is still up in the air.

Related:
https://twitter.com/Mark_S_J/status/17712835866

"If copyright infringement is theft, photographing someone is kidnapping?"

Also, related:
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I find some interesting reactions to video game developers complaining about losing sales to piracy:

If it was a well-received game critically that sold well:
Pirates: "You're complaining at US?!? Look how well your game sold? Why should you let THAT bother you?"

If it was a poorly-received game:
Pirates: YOU DON'T DESERVE OUR MONEY FOR THIS!!!

If it was a well-received game that didn't sell that well:
Pirates: *are mysteriously nowhere to be found*



As for the "Internet scanlation piracy" that manga-artists/publishing companies have complained of:

Well gee, you think it's hurting your profits? Well have you ever realized that maybe, some of these mangas whose profits you're "losing" are not available in our country? And even if they are, are probably ungodly rare in bookstores and probably expensive on eBay like Akira or Nausicaä? (Nausicaä is probably printed with paper made from albino redwood trees given how rare it is out here. :| ) If I could actually go out to the bookstore and buy a copy of an Akira book as easily as I could a Naruto collection, I'd certainly do it. Or if there were bigger collections of those longer mangas like Ranma 1/2 or One Piece, it makes it a lot easier to go on archive binge. And yeah, I also know sometimes the scanlations are often done by people who aren't native english speakers, or weren't really proof-read. (I saw a scanlation for Love Hina where the grammar was about as funny as the manga itself. XD There was a part where Keitaro apparently had a temperature of 39.7 degrees Fahrenheit.)

Metal Man wrote: I don't care for pirating anything, but when the copyright holders be makin' it too hard to get things, well, whataya gonna do? Live your entire life without seein' something because the people who made it went out of business?

Or, like I mentioned, unavailable because there were no official publications around there. Like I said, I'd be willing to pay for the Tales of Innocence Manga in a collection if it was actually published outside of Japan.

Pffft. If I couldn't pirate it, i wouldn't buy it anyway, thus, no loss to anyone.

i pirate stuff all the time

deal with it

Luigimango wrote:deal with it

Sim Kid wrote:If it was a well-received game critically that sold well:
Pirates: "You're complaining at US?!? Look how well your game sold? Why should you let THAT bother you?"

Well, that argument's a case-by-case thing. PC games do have a smaller market. But when a big dev like Blizzard tries to justify cutting home-multiplayer from a sequel to the third best-selling PC game of all time, that's just wrong. Financially, speaking, the issue actually stems from 3rd party ladder competition. The fans did it better, and the fans did it free. It would make more sense not to try to build a business model around stopping that, and the build a business model instead around supporting that. Look how well it's worked for id Software over the years.

People still pay money for what would be a dead franchise, like the first Doom, to play on fan-provided servers. Just ask Loot - he could've easily grabbed a torrent, but he bought the Steam version instead. He didn't have to do that. Hell, he doesn't even get better support because of it.

But the point is that, if a game like StarCraft sells over 11 million copies, making it the best selling core-game on the PC of all time, and Blizzard's already abandoned it claiming they can't afford to compete with independent servers, what do you think will happen if the fans can't support StarCraft 2 in a decade? There aren't gonna still be sales of it.

Fighting fan support is killing PC games.

I would not call piracing stealing there is a a big difference after all.

Stealing - Taking something without paying
Piracy - Making a copy of something that you don't own.

I think i have a working policy when it comes to piracy and that's that if i really like the game/movie/album i download i buy them when i get the chance, though i have some exceptions:

1. the game/movie/album in my oppinion was crap
2. It's not officialy realeased in Europe.
3. they are older than 10 years

And i really think that there are more than me that thinks like this, therefore i don't think that: 1 illegally copied product = 1 unselled product, to some extent i can say that it's true, the crap i have avoided buying while doing above mentioned.

So in short I own all the music I have on my harddrive, all the games I play I have a legal copy of, That car is not downloaded from a questionable site and i don't even have a movie on my computer anymore.

Okay, it's stealing, morally wrong, and I'm going to hell for it. But I'll enjoy doing it anyway.

Hey if it feels good ,why not doing it?