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This is such an idiotic concept. The exception does not prove that there is a rule, it proves that the rule is not at all a rule but a general trend.

I just thought about the exception being the rule too much and now my brain hurts.

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the exception to the rule is the exception to the rule of rules with exceptions being trends

Generally I rule that the exception to the rule has to be some sort of grandfather claused in thing and otherwise it's not going to be allowed.

Even the grandfather clause, however, isn't allowed if it winds up being like the racist stuff that caused the creation of the term 'grandfather clause.'

On the other hand, things like being able to not wear helmets in Hockey games are weird.

I've heard this in so many debates. It's a great way to dispel evidence against your argument, and sounds good, but means absolutely nothing.

Yeah, the only thing exceptions mean is that sometimes something is not true. If it's sometimes not true, it can be an exception to a concept, but that concept is then obviously ill-defined. The exception should be examined to find why it is an exception, with the definition of the concept redefined more accurately as a result. People tend to form flawed arguments because of this - with one side picking on the exception and the other being adamant that their concept does not need clearer definition. Worse yet, the exception isn't always a grand flaw that unravels the illusion of a rule - sometimes it's just a minor thing that goes unaccounted.

Hence why it can be so irritating to argue with people who pick on insignificant details, as they are obviously trying to destroy your credibility instead of taking on the argument itself.

good luck trying to figure that out in math/the english language AI

If you're saying you've got a problem with my language, I'm not surprised. It shows a lack of trying, IMO, if you're just giving up on understanding my use of it.

stop showing off ai

wat

FALCON PAUNCH wrote:If you're saying you've got a problem with my language, I'm not surprised. It shows a lack of trying, IMO, if you're just giving up on understanding my use of it.

no i'm saying good luck quantifying new rules/concepts out of math and the english language for the parts of those fields that have rules with exceptions

The phrase is (supposed to be) used to signify that a rule is discovered when something deviates from it and subsequently is noticed as a deviation.

It's still really stupid though.

Chunky Kong12345 wrote:no i'm saying good luck quantifying new rules/concepts out of math and the english language for the parts of those fields that have rules with exceptions

Ah, I see what you're getting at.

this can sometimes make "sense" but it never proves the "rule", it just maybe strenghens the trend.

the worst part is when i am arguing with someone, i give a counterexample, and they say this without actually knowing what it means and why it doesn't apply, and think its just something they can say to disprove all arguements.

I... don't really understand what you're talking about. can you example me up?

Math rules are never accepted until the exceptions have been addressed, usually either through adding a condition to the premise which excludes the exception, or changing the rule to an existential claim rather than a universal claim. Otherwise, the exception actually disproves the rule.

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