Double Standards

[Random User]

I feel like this will get less worse as time goes on. Especially considering the younger children are doing less of the playing toys (love that pink girls' aisle at Toys 'R' Us) lately and sticking with the gender androgynous internet or iPhone to play games now. Eventually assigning different activities to genders will be something not to worry about, but I think that change will transition slowly.

[ZeldaGirl]

IRHP - though RD got a little heated, the larger point is, while some women DO falsely accuse others of rape, statistically, the incidents of those happening are far smaller than actual number of sexual assaults. Also, it is just not true that there are high levels of prosecutions of rape; again, look at the statistics. Women are more likely to not be believed when they say they have been raped. They are asked, "well, why were you drinking/alone/wearing that?" The default in society is, I don't know if I believe you, but if it happened, it's your fault.

In fairness to RD, you originally provided only one example, and therefore RD provided a counter.

As for the rest of this thread...meh, not gonna even bother getting into it.

[I REALLY HATE POKEMON!]

TML: I strongly disagree.

ZG: I am not arguing those statistics either way; I haven't reviewed them so I won't argue, I'll just take your word for it. I was just pointing out how an innocent man's life was ruined. It happens only God knows how often, a lot of criminals say they're innocent. For everyone involved, the system needs to be improved.

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Also, I wasn't trying to trade examples to win something, I was bringing up an issue.

[LOOT]

look at what this topic has become

[I REALLY HATE POKEMON!]

^ Yeah, right when you posted that. *trollface*

[Sim Kid]

I feel like this will get less worse as time goes on. Especially considering the younger children are doing less of the playing toys (love that pink girls' aisle at Toys 'R' Us) lately and sticking with the gender androgynous internet or iPhone to play games now. Eventually assigning different activities to genders will be something not to worry about, but I think that change will transition slowly.

That actually reminds me of something. Allegedly, my grandparents thought it was extremely wrong for me to have been playing with a toy kitchen when I was three.

Mom and dad actually saw it as an interest in cooking, and they told my grandparents (Dad's parents, btw. Grandma on mom's side was perfectly okay with that) that there was nothing wrong with that. Even my uncle on dad's side said that it was perfectly okay for a man to know how to cook - since after all, he and dad pretty much lived off of sandwiches and cheap-ass quick meals in college before thinking "...we can't live like this our whole lives."

[I REALLY HATE POKEMON!]

That's just weird. It wasn't like you were pretending to cook meth.

[LOOT]

Not to defend your backwards folk there, but I don't think he was concerned about the cooking part.

btw as a guy who punches bears for a living it's pretty obvious that cooking is an awesome sport.

[I REALLY HATE POKEMON!]

When I was a kid I wanted that girls baking oven thing. My plan was to cover its offensive pink with WWF stickers and bake while I gamed on my SNES. Seemed legit at the time.

[Sim Kid]

When I was a kid I wanted that girls baking oven thing. My plan was to cover its offensive pink with WWF stickers and bake while I gamed on my SNES. Seemed legit at the time.

Actually, almost everybody I know wanted that E-Z bake oven - just as many guys wanted it as girls did! And no, they didn't want it so they could do stuff like set stuff on fire.

We had other ways to set things on fire. We wanted to eat the delicious cakes. :P

[CaptHayfever]

^Yes. For a certain definition of "delicious". And of "cake."

And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

[Sim Kid]

^Yes. For a certain definition of "delicious". And of "cake."

And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

See what we liked to do was basically sing "It's a piece of cake to bake a pretty cake..." :P

[Kil'jaeden]

thread about rape

special privileges

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What privileges? First dibs on the life boats. Automatic sympathy for being weak (men being weak is considered unseemly). Custody of children along with money and half of every asset in divorce cases is much more likely (how often do you hear about regular, non-rich men marrying rich women and taking half their stuff later?). Not automatically assumed to be a violent threat (men do commit more violent crimes). Lower rates on some types of insurance. Being able to make jokes like the one in the OP and not be crucified and fed to rabid chimpanzees (because, again, women are not considered a threat). The ability to make just about any sort of sexual harrassment allegation, and be taken seriously (any man trying to make such an allegation about a woman would be looked at as weak). Women are in general seen as entitled to be protected. Men and women are not treated the same, and it does not mean that it always favors men. Not in matters of weakness or protection. Men have the advantage in matters of employment in some respects, but with more women in higher education than men, pretty soon there will be be nothing at all to complain about there.

As for toys and kid stuff like that, I always did find that stupid. Who made it a law that pink was a girly color anyway? Why that one? It is very arbitrary, especially since 100 years ago it was the opposite. Purple too, even though in the past it was considered quite differently. In fact, consider that boy's toys tend to be tools, for building things, getting places, or killing things. Girl's toys tend to be kitchen stuff, or things that are about being pretty. It is hard to say which one is worse, but I actually find it more disturbing that all those expectations are put on a child for being born one way or the other. Ever wondered if you could change that? Take a group of kids and raise them in reversals of these gender roles, see if it sticks. Unfortunately, people keep telling me things like "children are not there to experiment on" and "your mad schemes end now".

[Sim Kid]

*snip'd*

Exactly. Whether or not people want to admit it... people do react differently to a a man than they do to a woman, but so many people just laugh at those who want to point that out. Many people who do that are Egalitarians who wants equal rights... they're pointing out that yes, men and women are treated differently and that yes, society seems to be enforcing certain roles and expectations on us based on our gender.

And one of these things is that it seems women are more likely to be taken seriously in pointing out these double standards than men. Men pointing out how they are affected negatively by double standards are seen as "whiny", and many people like to say "Well women are treated worse in Saudi Arabia" or "Women have been treated worse" to basically say "Shut up" and do nothing about it. It's like how your parents loved to pull the "There are starving kids in China/Africa who would kill for that" or "You think that's bad? In my day we were lucky to walk 20 miles to school in blizzards uphill both ways and WE LIKED IT!!" card to keep you from complaining about an inconvenience, even if you were willing to take measures to fix it instead of just standing around complaining like Michael Moore or Anne Coulter.

[CaptHayfever]

^^The "your kid shouldn't be an experiment" reactions happen when these parents get news reporters to publicize it & basically present their kid as an experiment with how they talk. Don't call the news, & refer to your kid as a human instead of a statement, & nobody gets mad.

And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

[Valigarmander]

First dibs on the life boats.

This argument always bugged me, not just because it's an old tradition that never had any legal basis and hasn't been widely practiced in a very long time, but because it probably wasn't ever even the norm.

[Apollo the Just]

one thing i want to point out

a lot of causes of problems for men is actually rooted in misogyny

For example, it's bad for a man to be effeminate, weak, or have "girly" hobbies, right? In other words, the things that guys get **** for are things that associate them with women. If misogyny weren't a thing, then being associated with women wouldn't be considered bad, and therefore men wouldn't experience these kinds of hardships. Ya dig?

[Random User]

one thing i want to point out

a lot of causes of problems for men is actually rooted in misogyny

For example, it's bad for a man to be effeminate, weak, or have "girly" hobbies, right? In other words, the things that guys get **** for are things that associate them with women. If misogyny weren't a thing, then being associated with women wouldn't be considered bad, and therefore men wouldn't experience these kinds of hardships. Ya dig?

I did not behave in this way, why should I have to deal with the aftermath of ignorant males of the past?

[Sim Kid]

one thing i want to point out

a lot of causes of problems for men is actually rooted in misogyny

For example, it's bad for a man to be effeminate, weak, or have "girly" hobbies, right? In other words, the things that guys get **** for are things that associate them with women. If misogyny weren't a thing, then being associated with women wouldn't be considered bad, and therefore men wouldn't experience these kinds of hardships. Ya dig?

Of course. Sexism hurts both genders.

[Apollo the Just]

^^ Exactly! You shouldn't. The fact that you still have to put up with it means that those ignorant values persist meaning that it's something we still need to actively change. For dudes AND chicks. As long as ladies being lesser is a thought that is kept by ignorant douches, men who show effeminate qualities will continue being looked down upon by those same ignorant douches.